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I think the spelling is OK, although Kaelstroem would technically have been more correct.... Too bad they didn't spell his name right.
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I think the spelling is OK, although Kaelstroem would technically have been more correct.... Too bad they didn't spell his name right.
The rule has nothing to do media agreements though. Makes no mention of them so it's not as though a signed agreement is required for someone to be official media at an event. The players aren't aware of who's being paid and who isn't, or who's signed a contract and who hasn't, so why should that be a factor? If the media is TD-approved, it's official media.
Put it this way, if the TD said at the players' meeting that "Joe is going to be filming the lead card for us, thanks a lot Joe", then shouldn't the players take that to mean he's official and they should treat him as such? Much different than if Jim just shows up at the park, speaks to no one, and starts filming the round on his own. The players would be under no obligation to cooperate with him at all.
Except he doesn't really have the authority to ask to be edited out either. Competition Manual 3.06.A says that by participating in a PDGA event, he agrees "that the PDGA and its agents may publish photographs or images of [his] participation at PDGA-sanctioned events". Essentially, he shouldn't have a say in how the videographer uses whatever he shot, whether it's to ask to not be included or to ask that a close up of the logo on his hat or shirt be included after each of his throws.
To be fair, I'm not just disappointed that JohnE would ask such a thing of the videographer, I'm disappointed the videographer would comply, especially if he did film every throw. It would be one thing if he stopped shooting midway through the round...kinda the point of no return when it comes to the edit. But if he's got the footage, it should have been included.
So if he was upset by distractions that weren't the camera crew, why then were they asked to stop filming him? Not sure why this is a gray area if the crew was TD approved. Who cares if they were paid or not, or if they were one of the "usual" crews, or if it were spur of the moment? They were there with the permission of the TD so any existing media plans should cover them just fine. Specifically Competition Manual 3.06.A that states that they have the right to film any player they wish and use the video how they want if they're there as an approved "agent" of the PDGA (TD = PDGA).
If JohnE was upset and distracted by other things, that shouldn't give him cause to shut down the video crew if they're not among the things he's distracted by. And even if they were, I still don't think he can tell them to stop filming. Stop doing whatever it is they were doing to distract him, like if they're positioning themselves in a bad spot or talking too much or doing something else remediable. But no way is the simple act of pointing a camera at a player a distraction.
The "Rules" actually say nothing about video or audio, only photography and images. Also this says nothing about recording, but only publishing.3.06 Tour Player Media and Sponsor Relations said:A. All participants agree that the PDGA and its agents may publish photographs and images of their participation at PDGA-sanctioned events.
B. All players at PDGA Elite Series/National Tour and Major events are requested to be available to any and all media while on site except during or within 30 minutes of the start of a competitive round.
C. Policies concerning media may be viewed on the PDGA Media page at www.pdga.com.
D. Media personnel should refrain from interviewing a player until AFTER they have officially submitted their scorecard to tournament officials.
The "Rules" actually say nothing about video or audio, only photography and images. Also this says nothing about recording, but only publishing.
JohnE has every right to ask, but has no right to demand, not to be video recorded.
What would you say are the big 3 stops this year?
Exactly magazine, manuals, and website.Lol...good catch. One would think this rule was written with the pdga magazine in mind.
I think you could argue he has every right to refuse a video or audio recording without any repercussions.
There's a difference between images and moving images which are typically defined as such or as video. There are also different rules regarding audio and video recordings in many places.Video is literally moving images, but oh, you got us with the audio thing. How do you publish images without first recording them? Can't really do one without first doing the other. So it follows that if one is given the right to publish images of players participating in events, one has the right to record the images in the first place.
There's a difference between images and moving images which are typically defined as such or as video...Images could be a caricature, painting, or drawing from memory. Doesn't require the right to be recorded to be a published image.
Video is just a series of pictures recorded in rapid succession
Can they put him back in the footage except pixelate his face like if he was on Cops? Pixelate his discs too, lol.
Not true as a general rule in the digital world. Look up keyframes and inbetweens.