krooster
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I've thrown lots of Valks and Roadrunners, the Roadrunners are consistently more understable. Not sure what can explain your experience.
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[Innova] Roadrunner
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ive seen some domey stars glide for days on a gentle hyzer flip at 75% and some stars that turn and burn and some that fly like the champ counterparts
ive seen some domey and flat champ turds that have no glide and have good fade and ive seen some beat champs make the smoothest farthest turnovers ive seen
it seems to be the old innova wildcard game
tbird888
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I agree on the snap. You need to get them spinning. It's why my noodle arm bags a 164 Champ.
slowplastic
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I've thrown a handful of star and Gstar and all of them have been nicely understable. They needed a nose down hyzer release, ideally upward instead of a <10' line drive, and would turn over through the apex and glide out real far. Not so understable that they'll burn, but all the ones I have tried would definitely go right from a hyzer for me. In comparison I have thrown Champ Sidewinders that I could throw full power flat and they would drift right but fade back...like a -1/2.5 and not at all expected based on a "usual" Sidewinder.
Maybe try more nose down?
If you've got 5 of them and in that many different plastics it'd be so unlikely for them all to be freakishly OS.
Maybe try more nose down?
If you've got 5 of them and in that many different plastics it'd be so unlikely for them all to be freakishly OS.
After I posted I thought "should I try more spin?" and then wondered why I didn't think of that for three years. :doh:
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I have had the same experience with Star Roadrunners in the low 160s. More stable than expected, and more finishing fade than expected. Granted, I don't throw real far.
I used a 150s JK Valk for years at my understable distance driver, paired with a 150s Star Valk as an S-curve driver. Now I use a 150s Plasma Insanity, which fills the Roadrunner role quite nicely after a few good tree hits.
I have seen others throw Roadrunners beautifully but for some reason it does not mesh with my throw. Could be a lack of nose down.
I used a 150s JK Valk for years at my understable distance driver, paired with a 150s Star Valk as an S-curve driver. Now I use a 150s Plasma Insanity, which fills the Roadrunner role quite nicely after a few good tree hits.
I have seen others throw Roadrunners beautifully but for some reason it does not mesh with my throw. Could be a lack of nose down.
I mean if I threw real far I wouldn't care that I couldn't throw a Roadrunner. :\
Mongoose is a better Roadrunner.
racer93
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The two g* RRs I have had were both VERY understable. The champs I have had have both been quite OS, with me putting a poop-ton of spin and power on them and them doing a large S curve and hyzering out. (This is >450'.)
I would like to try and find something in the middle, not too flippy (g*), not too OS (champ). Are stars any different?
slowplastic
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Haven't thrown champ, but the stars I have thrown were definitely more stable than the Gstar. Both are understable. You can also look at the Sidewinder, there can be a lot of overlap between SW/RR, the biggest difference is how the underside of the rim feels. SW is more normal/straight whereas the RR has that convex bottom rim. I think a worked in star SW is likely what you want at your power. You throw harder than me and I'm also at altitude, so the best I can do is compare the relative stabilities of all of these.
ThomasOrion
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I'm a huge roadrunner fan but when looking for that nice sweetspot of not too flippy and not too stable I ventured out and tried a Streamline LIFT - and they are (to me anyway) like a fresh Star Roadrunner or a Star VAlkyrie that has a lil use on it. Its a nice flying disc and cheap (and best plastic I've seen in a long time)
lines
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Champ RR > Icon Mongoose > Star RR
IMO the perfect RR is a beat Champ. The Mongoose is a great 'out of the box' RR if you like star plastic. A Star RR can be finicky. They do beat into good rollers and fly great on sweeping hyzer lines.
I'll buy it.
I don't like champ for drivers sooooo.... Icon Mongoose is the easy choice.
TheirTheir
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Found a gummy champ RR at my local disc store today and I can't wait to try it out. I've thrown RRs for years and they always start out more stable than you would think, however, they beat in so nicely. I've never had one live up to a -4 turn, but they will come close.
If you are looking for a flippy 9 speed disc, pick up a Westside Discs Hatchet in VIP. Throw it hard and flat and you have yourself a bombed roller. It's that easy.
If you are looking for a flippy 9 speed disc, pick up a Westside Discs Hatchet in VIP. Throw it hard and flat and you have yourself a bombed roller. It's that easy.
Casey 1988
Shun the frumious Bandersnatch!
Another Easy disc to roll is the Monarch though it is a speed 10 and some hate the Rim shape. My brother loved the flight but not the rim, I used his disc when it was still new and I had to grip it odd not so bad I hated the disc just was too odd for me to use.
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slowplastic
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I haven't thrown a ton of RR's, but I find that in that Innova speed 9 category Gstar helps them fly close to their numbers out of the box. Talking RR/SW/Valk.
Of course I'd rather have a beat in champ like you found, it'll stay at that good stability for a long time once it's there.
disctildeath
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Assassin isn't a bad driver for these types of shots.
