Arroyo Disc Golf Basket

[DaKineSurfer32]

When I saw this thing a month or so ago we were very skeptical if it was going to get approved.

This is false information. Before Wednesday morning at Pro Worlds the only people to have seen the Vortex basket were Steve & Bamba Rico and Todd Mitchell (of Legacy Discs), our fabricator in Michigan, and our patent lawyer.

Oh, and the Vortex basket is completely manufactured in the United States. All metal, all chain, all custom parts.

 

[ManU]

Lion is super duper close to the Rico's
he's been selling First Run Rampages like crazy for them

so when he says "we" he may have been there and referring to "we" being the Rico's et al

in any event...that basket looks good

congrats!
keep up the good work

 

[DaKineSurfer32]

Yeah, I know John Ryan, he's a good dude and very active in our SoCal disc golf community, but the information is still false. Everyone who saw the basket before we filed for our patent signed confidentiality agreements. The Rico's may have mentioned the basket to him, but it wouldn't have been any type of info for him to know about the basket's potential for approval.

Approval is purely based on measurements anyway, and anyone can find those details on the PDGA Tech Standards page. I'm not trying to cause any bad blood, but I do want honesty... especially when it concerns a product that I've had a large part in creating.

In the next few weeks the Vortex basket will be undergoing it's final tweaks and quality control checks before we hit full production. Stay tuned to the ADS facebook page and our website for more info, and media releases from Pro Worlds this past week.

 

[lion]

I didn't hear anything from the rico's. I saw a picture that had chains interlaced together. I thought this was the arroyo basket since it was the only one I knew of that time. I heard the term webbed chains from a friend. I will look for the message and yes I know logan. He's a stand up guy. We have played in final 9's together. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers either. If I was I would of posted about it long ago. The picture looked very simular from what I saw. I will do some research after work and see if I can locate the pic and info I saw. I actually think it was in late june that I saw it and no its not from any of those scetchs that were posted awhile back when dave feldberg was referring to tying the chains together for a superior basket.

 

[EL-KABONG]

I have been into Arroyo 51. But I saw nothing

 

[gcr_russell]

What will be the price point on these baskets? I would certainly be interested in the next year potentially in getting one. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not put potential pricing in this thread yet. I just looked up the founders too and I've played a couple tournament rounds with Kevin before and from that he seems to be a pretty solid guy. Definitely a good time to play with.

 

[MikePinchico]

What will be the price point on these baskets? I would certainly be interested in the next year potentially in getting one. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not put potential pricing in this thread yet. I just looked up the founders too and I've played a couple tournament rounds with Kevin before and from that he seems to be a pretty solid guy. Definitely a good time to play with.

I heard 350$, which is cheaper than the competition. I'm not kidding when I say that you cannot chain out. If your a little girl and need the satisfaction of making crappy putts then this basket is awesome, if your a real man then stick with the Mach III. JMO

 

[jsun3thousand]

Lion is super duper close to the Rico's
he's been selling First Run Rampages like crazy for them

so when he says "we" he may have been there and referring to "we" being the Rico's et al

in any event...that basket looks good

congrats!
keep up the good work

rico's means belonging to a rico. ricos is more than one rico. ricos' means belonging to two or more ricos.

 

[The Hammer]

rico's means belonging to a rico. ricos is more than one rico. ricos' means belonging to two or more ricos.

I got a pretty good laugh out of this.

 

[Thumber]

There are no nubs on the edge of the basket. Is this going to change? Sure it may catch like crazy in the chains, but hitting the rim with no nubs will send you flying away from the basket

 

[ManU]

rico's means belonging to a rico. ricos is more than one rico. ricos' means belonging to two or more ricos.

ah bugger I made a grammatical error
I wish I could edit my post

thanks for the point out jsun

 

[timothyasteele]

I saw these baskets on Saturday, and lots of the players were putting at them from all angles and different distances. They catch like nothing else on the market. Inner chains are interlaced creating a pretty solid mesh to stop any cut-throughs due to hyzer angle or excessive speed.

Personally, I've come to enjoy the element of luck (good and bad) when putting at various baskets. Sure it can be annoying at times when you get a spit out that was a solid putt, but part of what makes like interesting is the element of surprise.

For pros trying to make a living, I can see how they get pretty bent out of shape since one or two unlucky spit out putts can seriously affect their ability to win a tournament. But then again, so can a bad kick off a tree, or a hillside rollaway.

Tim S.

 

[Ryan P.]

I like it. It's annoying when you put a putt dead center and it falls through or spits back. I realize there is luck involved in the game, but I think eliminating bad luck for a good shot is a good idea. Now if they were trying to eliminate bad luck for a bad shot, I'd disagree with it. But if the disc hits chains, especially the center of em, I think it should stay in.

 

[Ryan P.]

Oh, and is it true that this thing is made from aluminum in parts?

 

[JTacoma03]

Here's my issue with the basket - and I'm not hating on Arroyo, they see a market (people want a basket they can throw high speed putts at and stick) so they develop a product. I love the entrepreneurial spirit.

I don't like the idea of changing a game to meet certain types of people's advantages at the cost of disadvantaging others. The game (to me) is the game, and players should mold to it - not vice versa. What I mean by this is - are your putts spitting out? Putt softer. Putt at a different angle. Don't change the game to make you look better, improve your skill at the game.

There are putts that spit out of this basket. Again I'm not busting balls or anything, but it is fact so I present it even-handedly for people to consider. Soft, touch putts are now more likely to spit while harder putts stick. I saw more than one during worlds this week.

Again, let me reiterate here, I'm not trying to start a flame war or bash Arroyo. I applaud them for jumping into the market with the bigger companies (well, relatively bigger anyway).

The X or web pattern of inner chains makes the entire inner chain set move as one "sheet" which prevents hard putts that would clang center pole and rebound stop short of that - but adds much more mass to push back against softer touch putts (lob putts, push putts for example). What now becomes the issue is that if you don't putt hard enough you'll bounce back out instead of what we have now - if you putt too hard you'll cut through or "spit out".

So I ask - is it an improvement? Or catering to a specific style of putting which is more popular now than 20 years ago when disc golf started?

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this - but I just wanted to put out a different point of view - and for god's sake please don't TLDR this and respond, I'm tired of flame wars.

 

[ManU]

fair point for discussion

are putts that don't stick a problem with style or a current defect in basket design that this one intends to fix?

and to further in that discussion how do "soft" (this is relative) putts on this basket fair?

 

[moorent]

The X or web pattern of inner chains makes the entire inner chain set move as one "sheet" which prevents hard putts that would clang center pole and rebound stop short of that - but adds much more mass to push back against softer touch putts (lob putts, push putts for example). What now becomes the issue is that if you don't putt hard enough you'll bounce back out instead of what we have now - if you putt too hard you'll cut through or "spit out".

So I ask - is it an improvement? Or catering to a specific style of putting which is more popular now than 20 years ago when disc golf started?

Maybe these people will see what kind of basket they are dealing with and putt a bit harder?

this whole rant seems a bit silly

 

[who-dat]

That guy's usage of "teh", was very annoying

seconded. big time.

 

[who-dat]

Here's my issue with the basket - and I'm not hating on Arroyo, they see a market (people want a basket they can throw high speed putts at and stick) so they develop a product. I love the entrepreneurial spirit.

I don't like the idea of changing a game to meet certain types of people's advantages at the cost of disadvantaging others. The game (to me) is the game, and players should mold to it - not vice versa. What I mean by this is - are your putts spitting out? Putt softer. Putt at a different angle. Don't change the game to make you look better, improve your skill at the game.

There are putts that spit out of this basket. Again I'm not busting balls or anything, but it is fact so I present it even-handedly for people to consider. Soft, touch putts are now more likely to spit while harder putts stick. I saw more than one during worlds this week.

Again, let me reiterate here, I'm not trying to start a flame war or bash Arroyo. I applaud them for jumping into the market with the bigger companies (well, relatively bigger anyway).

The X or web pattern of inner chains makes the entire inner chain set move as one "sheet" which prevents hard putts that would clang center pole and rebound stop short of that - but adds much more mass to push back against softer touch putts (lob putts, push putts for example). What now becomes the issue is that if you don't putt hard enough you'll bounce back out instead of what we have now - if you putt too hard you'll cut through or "spit out".

So I ask - is it an improvement? Or catering to a specific style of putting which is more popular now than 20 years ago when disc golf started?

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this - but I just wanted to put out a different point of view - and for god's sake please don't TLDR this and respond, I'm tired of flame wars.

i agree, i think the game IS what it IS

Maybe these people will see what kind of basket they are dealing with and putt a bit harder?

this whole rant seems a bit silly

silly if you consider a coin having two sides as a silly thing....

 

[moorent]

i agree, i think the game IS what it IS

So we should stop trying to make better baskets? What about discs? Maybe we should stop trying to create longer, more gyroscopic, and consistent discs?


I don't see how people could be upset that a new basket design is in the works. This isn't zero-gravity golf, it is a small change in the typical chain variation.


Imagine what it would be like if these baskets had been approved 5 years ago and everybody had already been able to get used to them. You'd walk up to a course with DISCatchers and know that you'd need to putt a bit softer and be really careful of your aim to pretend spitouts. If you are playing on a course with Vortex baskets you would automatically know that you need to putt with a bit more power.