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Frisbee Golf vs Disc Golf?

Whammo (at least as far as I know) hasn't done anything for our sport. Why in the world would we even consider changing the sport's name to include one of their brand names?

Omg i only play 2 years, but even I know more than you about the history of our sport, as it seems.
 
Omg i only play 2 years, but even I know more than you about the history of our sport, as it seems.

The only thing WhamO has really done is make discs and advertise disc golf. That doesn't make them deserve to change the name of the sport.
 
I have a hard time caring what folks call it. Whether or not we can officially use the term frisbee, that's how most non-players know the sport and how I describe it to new people.
I'd rather it be known as "Frisbee" golf for that reason. Non players are much more likely to know what you're talking about right away if you call it "Frisbee golf" than "disc golf."
 
You're welcome to correct me.

Here is a little search result from Wikipedia :

Morrison began producing a new disc, which he called the Pluto Platter. He sold the rights to Wham-O on January 23, 1957 (his 37th birthday),[5] and the following year, Morrison was awarded U.S. Design Patent D183,626 for his flying disc.

In June 1957, Wham-O co-founder Richard Knerr decided to stimulate sales by giving the discs the additional brand name "Frisbee" (pronounced "FRIZ'-bee") after learning that Connecticut college students were calling the Pluto Platter by that name,[6] the term "Frisbee" coming from the name of the Bridgeport, CT pie manufacturer Frisbie Pie Company.[7] "I thought the name was a horror...terrible", Morrison told The Press-Enterprise of Riverside[cite this quote] in 2007. In 1982 Morrison told Forbes magazine[cite this quote] he had received about $2 million in royalty payments and said "I wouldn't change the name of it for the world".[8]

The man who was behind the Frisbee's phenomenal success however was "Steady" Ed Headrick, hired in 1964 as Wham-O's new General Manager and Vice President in charge of marketing. Headrick soon redesigned the Pluto Platter by reworking the rim thickness and top design, creating a more controllable disc that could be thrown accurately.[9]

Sales soared for the toy, which was marketed as a new sport. In 1964, the first "Professional Model" went on sale. Headrick patented the new design as the Frisbee patent, highlighting the "Rings of Headrick" and marketed and pushed the Professional Model Frisbee and "Frisbee" as a sport. (U.S. Patent 3,359,678).[10]




They made the first Frisbees. They had Headrick. If Innova hadnt stolen their triangular rim patent, they would still be making Discs to this day. They organised the first big tournaments that drew big crowds and had big prices.

They got it all rolling.

Saying that they didnt do anything for our sport is ignorant on so many levels, I dont even know where to begin. It's like saying the inventor of the ball didnt do much for soccer or basketball.

The only thing WhamO has really done is make discs and advertise disc golf. That doesn't make them deserve to change the name of the sport.

Also, apart from all the historical mumbo jumbo, it is the reality nowadays that everybody knows what a Frisbee is, but when you use the term "flying disc", people get all sort of weird ideas. The general public calls em "Frisbees". So if we rename our sport to Frisbee Golf, it's not because of Wham-o, but to bring it closer to the perception of our sport.
 
Smigles - If Innova hadn't stolen their triangular rim patent, they would still be making Discs to this day.
Say what? It's my understanding that the triangular rim was a Dunipace patent, it was initially offered to Headrick/Wham-O and he turned it down.
 
Hmm that's not what I remember reading. But it's all a bit of a blur and you are probably right ^^ You are the authority here, after all ^^

Still, I stand for the rest of my post.

( Till you correct me ther too, lol ^^ )
 
No problem with the Wiki portion but I hope the Innova comment was yours and not in the Wiki story.
 
No problem with the Wiki portion but I hope the Innova comment was yours and not in the Wiki story.

Yeah it is mine, I thought that I have read this somewhere here. But it may be plain wrong or highly controversial ^^
 
I'm not sure much is changing. 26 courses in Europe already have "Frisbee" in the name. I just figured the trademark laws were different over there.
 
To all the people complaining about "snobs," listen. We aren't snobs, or at least I'm not, just for wanting to call the things we use in our sport the right name. Discs and frisbees are two totally different things. Yeah, they both fly through the air, but they are totally different. It is like calling basketballs and footballs the same thing just because we pass both of them.
 
It is like calling basketballs and footballs the same thing just because we pass both of them.

They are both balls.


Anyway, you are missing the point. For 99% of the people on this world, the things we play with are Frisbees. Yes, you are correct, it is the wrong name. But I think it's easier to get the 1% to change than the 99%. If Wham-O let's us do it, then why shouldnt we ? So far we can not call our toys Frisbees because Wham-o has the name protected.
 
Wham-o's trademark on the name Frisbee makes me hesitant to change the name of the sport. In a Frisbee golf tournament, are you only allowed to use Frisbee branded discs? If I show up with my Leopard and Buzzzzzzzzz, are they going to let me play even though I don't have any Frisbees?

Companies in the US are very particular about their brand identity. If you doubt that, use the words Kleenex or Coke in a generic sense (as we're talking about doing with Frisbee) and see how quickly Kimberly-Clark or Coca Cola get in touch with you and ask you to change it.

If Wham-o wants to get back into disc golf again, fine -- let them start producing quality discs at decent prices, and I will welcome them back with open arms. But I don't see the sense in making an official name change -- of course, people will always call it whatever they want, and as players we have to recognize that and deal accordingly.
 
Oh, another thing I just realised :

If they want to let everybody use the name Frisbee instead of flying disc, then I welcome the change.

If they want to get back into the busines and we still can only call their products Frisbees and the rest must still be called flying discs, then screw & boycot them. 100 times.
 
maybe not

I cannot recall any conversations with Ed where he complained about the beveled edge patent being "stolen" from him. Now Ed may have been many things, but being shy about standing up for himself was not one of them.

He also bought discs for many years that were made by Innova, which he "factored" into the #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, series (actually, the #1 were unfactored and sold as produced). So if that were a sore spot, he hid it well. :popcorn:
 
To all the people complaining about "snobs," listen. We aren't snobs, or at least I'm not, just for wanting to call the things we use in our sport the right name. Discs and frisbees are two totally different things. Yeah, they both fly through the air, but they are totally different. It is like calling basketballs and footballs the same thing just because we pass both of them.
Actually, it's like calling Rollerblades and inline skates the same thing, which they are. It's just that Rollerblade is a brand name of inline skate. Or it's like if you were at a person's house, got a bloody nose and asked for a Kleenex. Would you want them to give you one or say, "Sorry, we don't have any," becasue they used Puffs brand facial tissues?
 
Discs and Frisbees are the same thing. All the DGCR tears in the world won't change that fact.
 
Discs and Frisbees are the same thing. All the DGCR tears in the world won't change that fact.

Another proponent for changing the name of 'Volleyball' to 'Wilsonball', apparently.
 

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