[MVP] MVP Tangent

[CwAlbino]

Trust me, it doesn't fly like a heavy Z Comet when you get into the details. It doesn't have the excessive glide at low speeds which, despite my reverence for the disc, has always given me problems with ranging. It is much better in the wind and sits down much better as well. I can throw a high line with a Z Comet in calm conditions that gets to 375' without straining too much. I've thrown longer shots with Comets than any other mid. The Tangent is not like this. On a line drive it is slower and shorter than most other standard mids, making it almost a tweener/approach type disc. Though with a little air it can easily glide as far as most standard mids (not near a Comet though).

It is a disc that you put on line like a Comet. So maybe it's like a Comet that trades some of it's super glide for easier ranging and better wind performance. I really think the Tangent is something new in terms of discs, though the Comet is a good starting point for comparison (much better than discs like the Meteor/Fuse that people are wanting to compare it to).

I would say this is a very accurate post just on what I threw yesterday. In one word this disc is described as "smooth" imo. It doesn't turn or cut hard, it's very gentle in it's lines and line shaping. The glide is fantastic, but it's not nearly fast enough to push through like a comet. I will still carry a Z comet, there's just nothing that can hold the lines a comet can for as long as a comet can. My Z comet is pretty beat, so the tangent is quite a bit more stable on hyzers and flip shots. It's also more forgiving, pick up a comet if you want to fix your form over the tangent.

I'm actually really liking the compliment of the amp and the tangent. I can power down on the amp and have them kind of overlap on some turnover lines, or hit those longer lines that the tangent can't quite hit.

 

[scunham]

the tangent is interesting... I think I will find myself using it for straight shots/approaches..Didn't seem to have a lot of glide compared to my other mids but that's fine.. It feels great in the hands.

 

[ThrowaEnvy]

aaaaarghhh checkin my mailbox twice a day, all I can do is keep watchin Mike C's videos.

 

[in4d]

less glide = more wind resistant.

I think the tangent has more than enough glide for my needs. im glad its not a domey flippy disc.

the tangent is the best neutral to slightly understable disc i have ever used in the wind, no its not a wind fighter, but it does it better than any other disc of its stability. Im sure its mostly because of the gyro effect that resists turn/fade more than other discs, it wont just flip and burn in higher winds as easily.

They need to make a very overstable midrange for wind and call it the "Resistor".. get it? lol

 

[discspeed]

This is a no-brainer, but light Tangents glide much more than the heavy ones. I've been really favoring my 172 because of this.

 

[scunham]

Interesting ^^

I threw the tangent yesterday and it went pretty much dead straight and finished slightly right. Disc definitely doesn't feel like any other in my bag. I definitely have a use for the tangent for those ultra straight shots and it also feels amazing on short approaches

 

[JedV]

less glide = more wind resistant.

I think the tangent has more than enough glide for my needs. im glad its not a domey flippy disc.

the tangent is the best neutral to slightly understable disc i have ever used in the wind, no its not a wind fighter, but it does it better than any other disc of its stability. Im sure its mostly because of the gyro effect that resists turn/fade more than other discs, it wont just flip and burn in higher winds as easily.

They need to make a very overstable midrange for wind and call it the "Resistor".. get it? lol

Interesting. On the weekend, I threw my Tangent straight at a friend of mine who loves MVP, but hasn't got his Tangent yet. It was windy out; the disc popped up and down a foot or two because of the wind, but stayed right on target and my friend caught the disc. Needless to say, he was very impressed (love at first sight!)

And Resistor for an MVP disc name? Sweet idea!

 

[JAKE master]

resistor makes me think of a cheap knock off bowflex

received a tangent today and got a round with it. very pleased. dont know what all the glide-less talk is about. i think there are some noodle arms perhaps. very workable disc. interested to see what if any kind of break-in if any comes with the plastic. 1st mvp disc and so far its earning stripes.

 

[Menacewarf]

After spending some time with tangents I have to echo what some of the more articulate disc reviewers on here have said about this disc. It really does not fit onto a traditional flight chart since it does so many things well. Maybe discs like this should get a bigger symbol on the flight chart because they can fill a number of different rolls so well.

There aren't any other discs I have thrown with this combination of reliability in some wind, adaptability to all different lines including holding anhyzer lines or throwing gentle S turns, but at the same time resistance to turn and burn. This disc seems to handle OAT better than the axis and may even rival a vector in terms of forgivingness to oat ( rivaling the vector not for HSS just OAT sensitivity.) I've only owned one vector though so I don't have a great sample size for that.

Great disc. I'm glad I bought a few to practice with. Once the snow situation calms down a bit more here I'll try to make a 9 hole 1 disc tangent video or something to that effect. Went out today in 6" of powder and while fun and pretty I am ready for THAW!

 

[Menacewarf]

resistor makes me think of a cheap knock off bowflex

received a tangent today and got a round with it. very pleased. dont know what all the glide-less talk is about. i think there are some noodle arms perhaps. very workable disc. interested to see what if any kind of break-in if any comes with the plastic. 1st mvp disc and so far its earning stripes.

Glad you liked it :thmbup:Let's do a one disc challenge with this sometime if not next week.

 

[nolangherity]

played 18 in the woods today and the tangent was a no brainer for many shots.
thing is just point and shoot, very rewarding.

 

[AndyJB]

So here's a question for all you fellow Tangent lovers...what are you all finding is the secret to significant distance with this disc? For me, the only way to get it out past abotu 220 feet is to give it some height and let it breathe into that big turnover shot. From the few vids that aren't Mike C's that I've seen, and from a lot of the testimony in this here thread, I find that others aren't having to do that.

For me, the Tangent is point and shoot out to arounc 200 feet with ease. Just a nice, smooth pull and good, clean snap get it out there in a straight line. That's with a fan grip. For whatever reason, to get it straight when I user a power grip, I have to put a touch of hyzer on it.

So, let's hear it: what's the secret?

 

[Toro71]

So here's a question for all you fellow Tangent lovers...what are you all finding is the secret to significant distance with this disc? For me, the only way to get it out past abotu 220 feet is to give it some height and let it breathe into that big turnover shot. From the few vids that aren't Mike C's that I've seen, and from a lot of the testimony in this here thread, I find that others aren't having to do that.

For me, the Tangent is point and shoot out to arounc 200 feet with ease. Just a nice, smooth pull and good, clean snap get it out there in a straight line. That's with a fan grip. For whatever reason, to get it straight when I user a power grip, I have to put a touch of hyzer on it.

So, let's hear it: what's the secret?

Shot in the dark....

But I'd guess the answer is spin. IMO so far, the Gyro tech deal makes the amount of spin more critical than disc speed w/r/t flight with the MVP lineup.

Maybe when you throw power grip, you're getting a lot more rotational velocity on the disc, causing it to turn, whereas maybe when you 'fan' grip for mid shots, you're not getting enough to keep it aloft as long as you'd like?

Do you bag the Axis? Have you tried it for the 'more mustard' shots?

 

[Toro71]

Too late for edit...

For example (AndyJB still,) I've had a similar experience so far with the Vector. With my "standard" mid throw, fan grip, say 75-85% power, it flies like a beefy OS mid, even into head winds. But, into the same wind (this happened yesterday) if I try to yank it harder, with a power grip, it was turning over on me.

 

[Rockiesfan4ever]

If I've been messing around with a Comet recently would it be a good idea to spring and buy a Tangent?

 

[in4d]

Too late for edit...

For example (AndyJB still,) I've had a similar experience so far with the Vector. With my "standard" mid throw, fan grip, say 75-85% power, it flies like a beefy OS mid, even into head winds. But, into the same wind (this happened yesterday) if I try to yank it harder, with a power grip, it was turning over on me.

lol, its probably because your throwing it harder, the harder you throw a midrange the more its going to want to turn.. hence the HSS "High Speed Stability" of a disc. if your throwing it harder its going to have HSS longer, meaning its going to turn for a longer period of time untill it slows down into its LSS phase.

The harder you throw the more chance for error as well, so you may throw with more OAT when you throw harder.

Speed rating also factors into this.. if you throw a low speed disc that has 0 HSS you could probably still get it to turn a little if you throw it extremely hard because its not meant to fly at that "speed" or distance.

 

[in4d]

If I've been messing around with a Comet recently would it be a good idea to spring and buy a Tangent?

They will not fly the same, as its been said before.

Tangent has less glide, which means it will not float as long as the comet, but it will fight wind slightly better. I have been able to throw my tangent in 5-10 mph winds without problems, just tiny adjustments. A comet can not handle any wind at all.

Some say the comet is longer than the tangent.. IMO it think the tangent is longer, honestly i haven't thrown the comet a whole lot to have enough credibility on this, but my tangent BOMBs. it is just as long as my axis/vectors.

As far as flight path, i think they can be compared similarly. The tangent will have a little more HSS than the comet though, especially when powered way up, and the tangent is not as touchy as a comet. Comets are not forgiving to a little OAT and will turn/burn REAL fast if not thrown well.

 

[Rockiesfan4ever]

They will not fly the same, as its been said before.

Tangent has less glide, which means it will not float as long as the comet, but it will fight wind slightly better. I have been able to throw my tangent in 5-10 mph winds without problems, just tiny adjustments. A comet can not handle any wind at all.

Some say the comet is longer than the tangent.. IMO it think the tangent is longer, honestly i haven't thrown the comet a whole lot to have enough credibility on this, but my tangent BOMBs. it is just as long as my axis/vectors.

As far as flight path, i think they can be compared similarly. The tangent will have a little more HSS than the comet though, especially when powered way up, and the tangent is not as touchy as a comet. Comets are not forgiving to a little OAT and will turn/burn REAL fast if not thrown well.

Ok thanks! The wind has me interested b/c I am currently playing in the middle of nowhere Nebraska and it's always windy

 

[joshuajames]

lol, its probably because your throwing it harder, the harder you throw a midrange the more its going to want to turn.. hence the HSS "High Speed Stability" of a disc. if your throwing it harder its going to have HSS longer, meaning its going to turn for a longer period of time untill it slows down into its LSS phase.

The harder you throw the more chance for error as well, so you may throw with more OAT when you throw harder.

Speed rating also factors into this.. if you throw a low speed disc that has 0 HSS you could probably still get it to turn a little if you throw it extremely hard because its not meant to fly at that "speed" or distance.

The speed of a disc has nothing to do with how fast you throw it. They are independent factors.

 

[discspeed]

Too late for edit...

For example (AndyJB still,) I've had a similar experience so far with the Vector. With my "standard" mid throw, fan grip, say 75-85% power, it flies like a beefy OS mid, even into head winds. But, into the same wind (this happened yesterday) if I try to yank it harder, with a power grip, it was turning over on me.

Some of my N Vectors turn a little on flat shots into the wind, but my overstable P/Eclipse Vectors never turn. You could have Vectors like this, or you could have a little OAT when you clamp down and rip hard, especially if it is your secondary grip style with your mids. MVP discs are more spin sensitive than other discs, so their flight(stability and glide) is more affected by different rpms on your release. Changing grips no doubt complicate this as you are going to impart different spin rates with different grips.