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Olorin
  • First played "frisbee" golf in 1979 in Weaverville NC. Designed the first frisbee golf course at UVA

    Reviewing disc golf courses. Reviewing artisan dark chocolate.
    DGCR Number
    74
    Real name
    Lowe
    Years Playing
    45 Years
    Main Throwing Style
    RHBH
    Total Reviews / Avg. Score
    118 / 2.56 star(s)
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    8679 1040
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    277
    Website
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    IT project manager

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    My Review Philosophy and Criteria

    I rate courses subjectively based on my personal preferences and enjoyment. My rating reflects, "How much did I enjoy the course?" In other words, "how high is the Euphoria Factor for me and how much would I like to return to play there again?" In my rating I'll try to take into account the player level that the course is intended for, but this often quite hard to do. For courses below my player level I'll give them some grace, and for courses above my level I expect them to be tough for me. I can't really guess how a Gold level player might like a course, though, and I'm not at all certain about Green level players either. I try not to take my own play into account, but I have to admit that I'm I don't enjoy courses that are too short for me. I get bored if the course is too easy, but a beginner, low power thrower or a kid might love it. I generally most enjoy courses that are White or Blue level, but I don't mind getting punished by a good Gold level course.

    I do not seek to rate the quality of the course, as if there is some sort of objective quality standard. Since I've only played ~990 out of over 13,000 courses, I haven't even played 10% of all the courses in the world. I also haven't played many of the courses that are highly acclaimed, so if I was attempting to rate quality my standards might be uninformed. In addition, everyone has their own preferences so what I like may not really appeal to another person. I love water holes the most, yet some people dislike them. I prefer hole with scattered trees and wooded holes, yet some people like more open holes.

    Having said all that, I will acknowledge that there is hopefully some correlation between what I enjoy and quality. I analyze the courses I play for many characteristics of Design, Basics, and Amenities. I enjoy courses the most when the factors in each of the D-B-A categories rate highly. On the flip side, if too many factors are missing I enjoy the course less because it seems like something is missing. Of course, my preferences still differ from other people, so my rating of each factor is still subjective. Also, many factors such as beauty and terrain quality are somewhat subjective.

    My preferences:
    • Variety. This includes variety of terrain, elevation, and fairway shapes. like a mixture of tight wooded and mixed holes.
    • Fun- at least 3-6 exceptionally fun holes
    • Water. I love well designed water holes! These are holes that aren't too long to clear the water, that add risk vs. reward, and have bail out options. Water holes boost a course's rating, so to get my highest enjoyment rating a course usually has some.
    • Natural Beauty. I love being out in nature totally away from civilization. The best courses create a sense of awe, and spectacular views are a plus. Wildlife sightings increase my enjoyment. There may also be some man made landscaping features added purely for the aesthetic value. For me, structures like buildings or roads detract from my enjoyment of the natural setting.
    • For terrain I really like manicured grass with scattered large trees, but I also like wooded holes that offer a good challenge.
    • Unique terrain. I enjoy terrain that is beautiful, unusual, and unique to an area. The mountains of Colorado, the huge ferns and pines of Washington, the ocean of Hawaii are examples.
    • Fairways- well cut and good shape variety- St/ Rt/ Left/ S sharp/ L bend. Many different shots needed. Good risk vs. reward. Many holes require careful thought and good shot selection.
    • Terrain- I usually don't like open field holes without obstacles. In the same way, I don't like greens that are flat and too open and offer little challenge.
    • To get my highest rating the course must have multiple tees because these add variety and allow people with different skill levels to enjoy the course. Even more credit is given for multiple basket positions. The highest ratings of all are for those few courses have multiple tee pads AND multiple permanent baskets because these courses have the maximum of variety.
    • I give extra credit for 6 or 9 extra holes because of the variety that they add, and I rate 9 hole courses a little lower because I feel like I didn't play a full round.

    To earn my highest rating
    • Difficulty- challenging for the course level it's designed for.
    • Design- Several stellar holes that give you a sense of awe.
    • No design flaws: e.g.- no crossing fairways, no bad routing walking back up a fairway to the next tee, no excessive walks to the next tee. No safety issues
    • Fairways have a legitimate route. There are no random obstructions. Narrow is OK, but not "too narrow".
    • Terrain- variety of technical wooded holes, some mixed grass with a few trees, a few pretty open "rip it" holes. Unique features- rocks, trees, water, vegetation, desert
    • Elevation changes- lots of variety. The ideal is all Up or Down, but no more than 6 Flat. Big changes are a plus.
    • Good length variety- a few short ace runs, with some longer par 4s and par 5s.
    • Lengths are suitable for the course playing level it's designed for
    • Tees- excellent. Trapezoids are the best. Concrete preferred but allowance made for good rubber pads.
    • Multiple tee pads. 3 is best
    • Tee signs- very good to excellent
    • Baskets- in good shape. I prefer Mach V or Chainstar, but double chain DISCatchers also fine
    • Greens- challenging, trees guarding basket, some sloped, proximity to steep drop offs, lots of risk vs. reward.
    • Map of the course- on many courses a map is essential, so needs to be available either at the course or online
    • Easy to navigate. Good directional signs, can find next tee easily. Good to excellent map available.
    • Potential for lost discs is low. (Unless there's lots of water; then this is an acceptable risk.)

    Nice to have, but not essential
    • Score cards- best if available at the course, but online is OK
    • Other amenities: benches, warm up basket, message board, restrooms
    • Beauty of the surrounding area- has nice natural beauty
    • Trash cans- the course is clean
    • Extra touches- bag holders, basket location markers

    Overall for the whole course
    Euphoria factor is high and stays high. Good memories that leave a deep impression. You'd spend hours to drive there and go out of the way to play it again any time you could.

    -Every course took vision, money, and labor to install, so I try to be as charitable as possible in my reviews.

    Practice Areas I have played that DO NOT count on my Courses Played list (9 total):
    • Carmel Knolls Park, San Diego CA. 1 basket
    • Broad Creek Middle School, Newport NC. 9 baskets
    • Hawley Middle School, Creedmoor NC. 6 baskets
    • The Island, Marshall NC. 3 baskets
    • Kenan Park, Kenansville NC. 9 baskets
    • Red Slide Park, Haw River, NC. 3 tees and 3 baskets
    • Sheetz. Durham, NC. 1 basket
    • Belleview Elementary, Rock Hill SC. 1 basket
    • Charlotte-Fort Mill KOA, Fort Mill SC. 1 basket

    More on Olorin's Review Criteria:
    https://sites.google.com/site...view-criteria

    DGCR Members I have played disc golf with:
    Bennybennybenny, chrissauls, danhyzer, Dave242, DavidSauls, david W, DerekTonn, DGTourist, discgolfcraig, eric_vdberg, grodney, Kent18, magictenor1, Mando, Monocacy, Mrs. wolfhaley, Rizbee, rizbee_jr, RyanP, Schleppy, Shadrach3, sloppydisc, tomschillin, wolfhaley

    DGCR members met but not played DG with:
    BraveThrower43, BuzzSharpe, Chain-addicted, Donovan, DSCJNKY, LoPan12, MTL, Mystery, Royal, U Niced Me

    I also review artisan dark chocolate. See ChocoFiles, https://sites.google.com/site...wsite/

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    Thanks Olorin. I was pumped to see you got yours as well considering we both have been on here for what seems like forever...

    I am about to play Hila Monster and Bellows AFB in Oahu, thus completing the whole island and 2 shy from the whole state of HI. Loved your review of Hila. I can't wait!
    back in the saddle.....well after an extended period away from the game with any regularity, I am finally trying to get back into the groove of weekly play.....trying to balance triathlon training and disc golf - I just need more time in a day! I hope all is well with you!! I posted a couple new reviews, but a bit rusty and need to get back into the habbit of the full blown detailed reviews - now i'll have my gps phone with me to help slow down the rounds in an effort to gather stat info - LOL :)
    Discussion in your Ultimate reality group seems to have really slowed down Lowe. How do you think it is going?
    I see you've changed your Avitar. I had been meaning to ask you about your old one, so can you tell us about both?
    Sir,

    I stand corrected.

    My humblest apologies, I had not read the group's "mission statement" and was in the wrong. Please feel welcomed to continue to contribute to our group. :)

    n
    hehe, it was funny cuz i went from 10 to 11 states while i was in the high 70's of courses played. it almost worked out!
    i'm a big fan of your reviews, learning from the master. :D
    I gotta find out about your discs (or lack thereof). Only SIX??? and only four in the bag???? What gives? There must be a good story here that I (and I'm sure many others) would love to hear. You've been playing this sport forever, so what happened to all your discs and how do you manage to get along with so few? For me, disc selection is one of the most enjoyable parts of the game. Obviously not for you. Let's hear your philosophy.
    I noticed you hit 100 reviews. A lot about this site has changed since '07, but it's really good to see that you are still on here and still putting out those great course reviews. Thanks for being part of DGCR.
    hey! I am an MK, college student and youth pastor. My wife and I feel called to missions and plan on going to Southeastern seminary in NC after graduation...just started playing disc golf but really want to use it be a Gospel witness...really glad to see that there are Christian disc golfers!
    Like you, I agree that Green Pines in Knightdale has a lot of potential....there's quite a bit of land out there.
    since the last time we spoke, i have found jesus, been baptized and gone on a mission to mexico.
    Thanks brother! I like it...it compliments DGR's forum.
    Look forward to catching up with you again, Lowe. I really appreciated your help that day.
    I've been doing the right pec drill when I play rounds now...sometimes i reach a bit further back...but I'm not running up anymore. Only tossing buzzes and a comet. putting with a soft banger and a wizard now. usually use the banger for upshots on the rocky sections.
    Take Care,

    Jason
    Thanks my friend. I am glad it is over. Our talks were really good and you were a great and honorable friend to the end. Your ideas and help were giant pieces to the puzzle to make it happen. I can never tell you how much you have meant to me brother. Thanks for being who you are! Now, if I can just get that damn Diamond. LOL It seems like that has been the toughest gig of all! LOL Anyway, let me kow how you do, when you go for your best!

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