Everybody keeps arguing about semantics. Change this, don't change this, blah, blah, blah. There is only one principle that applies. Take a cross section look at any group in society and there will be a certain number of people who are less ethical than the rest. Call them whatever you like, sandbaggers, cheaters, pencil whippers, etc. In a perfect world the issue would indeed be to create the best system/rules and everybody would toe the line and play to the best of their ability. But that isn't how it will ever be. Some people will always try to job the system to get ahead. I don't think anybody would be naive enough to disagree with that basic point. So, that being said, let TD's/ the PDGA/ the free market response dictate the system/ rules/ competition so as to grow the game best and just go out to play your best every time. I hate a bagger/cheater as much as the rest and have played against them plenty but I know and he knows who the loser is regardless of score, and as a man that's all i need to know. And before there is a bunch of posts saying a bagger isn't the same thing as a cheater, it's the same principle, one's just easier to prove than the other.