Nikko LoCastro intimidating a PDGA official at European Open '22

[notapro]

I think Gary Glitter is the guy who performed "Rock and Roll Part 2" or something like that, that song whose intro has a guitar distorted so much it sounds like an electric kazoo, and people yelling HEY.

Found it!



edit: Oh yeah he's apparently a convicted monster, so that's fun.

I always equated that song to The Chicago Bulls, much like The Alan Parsons Project is. Maybe it's just a universal sports song though.

I do know people were upset when The Joker movie used Gary Glitter, but relaxed once they found out he doesn't get a dime of royalties anymore.

Alan Parsons for reference:

 

[BionicRib]

I always equated that song to The Chicago Bulls, much like The Alan Parsons Project is. Maybe it's just a universal sports song though.

I do know people were upset when The Joker movie used Gary Glitter, but relaxed once they found out he doesn't get a dime of royalties anymore.

Wow. As a Chicago native I will never have the same memories as a Bulls fan again. Thanks not apro I only hold you 5% accountable. Ahhhh the things you learn on dgcr….

 

[davetherocketguy]

I said you likely play AT disc golf. Real Disc Golfers understand what I mean.

No. We have no idea wtf you mean.

 

[brutalbrutus]

Question for the current former PDGA staff that are on DGCR... Can he be suspended for individual events?

Personally, i think a 2yr suspension would be a bit much considering he didn't physically assault the official. So i am wondering, since this was a PDGA Major, if maybe they could suspend him from just PDGA Majors for a year or two? Or if that isn't enough, maybe suspend him for the rest of this year and then also next year's majors?

...but if he completes some kind of anger management type of program he would be allowed to compete at normal events and on tour again next season?...

 

[BogeyNoMore]

How many "real" disc golfers does BCG know?


I can only surmise he's not satisfied playing with his club and dimpled balls, or he wouldn't spend so much time here.

 

[biscoe]

Question for the current former PDGA staff that are on DGCR... Can he be suspended for individual events?

Personally, i think a 2yr suspension would be a bit much considering he didn't physically assault the official. So i am wondering, since this was a PDGA Major, if maybe they could suspend him from just PDGA Majors for a year or two? Or if that isn't enough, maybe suspend him for the rest of this year and then also next year's majors?

...but if he completes some kind of anger management type of program he would be allowed to compete at normal events and on tour again next season?...

I have never worked for the PDGA so don't meet your criteria but you get my take anyway because the internet.

Physical assault is not the threshold for a Class A offense under the pdga-disciplinary-process. "Intimidation" seems the possibly applicable part of Class A which has a standard 2 year suspension allowed to go higher or lower through aggravating or mitigating circumstances.

If his response to the official is deemed "harassment without physical threat" then it would fall under Class C which has a standard 6 month suspension but can go up to a year with aggravating factors. Personally I would consider his unwillingness to cooperate with the PDGA after the fact an aggravating factor and lobby for a year suspension under Class C.

I don't know that there is really room for a "some events but not others" type of suspension in the process. If one TD is not expected to have to deal with him over whatever period of time I wouldn't see why others should be.

 

[biscoe]

I said you likely play AT disc golf. Real Disc Golfers understand what I mean.

As to no one caring and the facts not matching what I say. I have question marks which should indicate to readers that I am looking for more information. Given the lack of that information one can likely assume it is as i say. My questions were:

1) Did the official give Nikko courtesy of his presence and the reason for it? In his statement it seemed that he relied on the players themselves warning Nikko and didn't warn him personally. Would that have been too much? BTW the official did great in the altercation portion and showed great restraint. I think the player deserves a courtesy in this situation or it feels like an ambush and Nikko has that fight reflex.

2) Was the group out of position? Since I have seen nothing affirming they were behind, I assume they were in proper position, likely waiting on tees. If you aren't out of position, why raise the issue in the first place? To single out Nikko? Were they out of position when the warning was given and still out of position?, never out of position, or out of position but back in position? I know it doesn't matter under the rules, but it should be the decisive factor if this type of ruling should even be considered.

3) Was he first to throw his upshot? Again it matters. Study's have been done on the PGA Tour that showed that almost all players going first from tee or fairway, violated their time limit even if they were much faster at all other times. If we are looking for fairness this matters. Players not going first have more time to analyze the hole, pick the disc, etc and also glean information from the previous shot(s), so it goes faster. Again, i don't know if Nikko was throwing his upshot first but assume so since no one has refuted, and proving me wrong seems to be a big thing around here..

You want to make the game and Tour better? Adopt these understandings because they are real and take almost zero effort to implement. It would help make the game more friendly and also a bit more professional. In ushering them in, tell the disc golf community that things should have been handled better, which is why they are only suspending Nikko for the rest of the season.

On the other side of things. If the official had personally warned Nikko, the group was out of position on the course, there was no argument of distractions or spectator safety pause, and if he had adequate time to scope the throw (if throwing first) before the clock started, then I think a suspension of this and next season would be appropriate for his behavior.

The answers to your 3 questions are:
1) irrelevant
2) irrelevant
3) irrelevant

 

[Jolt]

I´m doing a stupid thing and ask a question before i think about it. .

Paul missed ONE C1 putt and got 97% 2nd on Udisc stats. . James Proctor missed ONE C1 putt and got 98% and 1st in putting. . why did Paul get 2nd?

 

[biscoe]

I´m doing a stupid thing and ask a question before i think about it. .

Paul missed ONE C1 putt and got 97% 2nd on Udisc stats. . James Proctor missed ONE C1 putt and got 98% and 1st in putting. . why did Paul get 2nd?

Paul took less C1 putts than James seems like the answer to me.

 

[foxdawg10]

I have never worked for the PDGA so don't meet your criteria but you get my take anyway because the internet.

Physical assault is not the threshold for a Class A offense under the pdga-disciplinary-process. "Intimidation" seems the possibly applicable part of Class A which has a standard 2 year suspension allowed to go higher or lower through aggravating or mitigating circumstances.

If his response to the official is deemed "harassment without physical threat" then it would fall under Class C which has a standard 6 month suspension but can go up to a year with aggravating factors. Personally I would consider his unwillingness to cooperate with the PDGA after the fact an aggravating factor and lobby for a year suspension under Class C.

I don't know that there is really room for a "some events but not others" type of suspension in the process. If one TD is not expected to have to deal with him over whatever period of time I wouldn't see why others should be.

I haven't played a tourney in a couple years. I seem to remember that a player needed to be notified that they were on the clock in order for the 30 second rule to be enacted. Is this still true or am a I remembering incorrectly.

There is also the time limit for looking for a lost disc. I remember that one also needed a clear beginning in order to be enforced, but I could be wrong on that one also.

 

[VictorB]

I haven't played a tourney in a couple years. I seem to remember that a player needed to be notified that they were on the clock in order for the 30 second rule to be enacted. Is this still true or am a I remembering incorrectly.

There is also the time limit for looking for a lost disc. I remember that one also needed a clear beginning in order to be enforced, but I could be wrong on that one also.

Lost disc timer needs to be clear because it's the initiation of the event. Getting a warning for taking too long is that same 'initiation' - you have to know that after that someone is timing you. Especially because if a player is getting a slow play warning, it's very likely because they're repeatedly abusing the time limit rule anyway.

 

[biscoe]

I haven't played a tourney in a couple years. I seem to remember that a player needed to be notified that they were on the clock in order for the 30 second rule to be enacted. Is this still true or am a I remembering incorrectly.

There is also the time limit for looking for a lost disc. I remember that one also needed a clear beginning in order to be enforced, but I could be wrong on that one also.

There has never been a notification requirement for excessive time violations. You are correct on lost disc.

 

[txmxer]

No. We have no idea wtf you mean.

Somebodies attempt at creating an AI, The contrarian internet bot.

 

[txmxer]

There has never been a notification requirement for excessive time violations. You are correct on lost disc.

Other than a warning of a courtesy violation previously within the round, correct?

 

[Steve West]

If they picked up their lie they get a penalty anyways. You let them tee off it par+.

You may not be aware of this, but we are not talking about golf.

In disc golf:

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B. A marker disc that has moved is replaced to its original location, as agreed on by the group.

There is no penalty for picking up your marker too soon. Just put it back.

You all come here all pious on the rules and yet i bet almost none of you have ever called a time penalty on yourselves or anyone else despite hundreds and hundreds of violations. So you all are cheaters, myself included or their are specific conditions that need to met before exceeding the time recommendation is actually a penalty. You all want to deny that despite it being the only way you play.

Not that it matters, but I have called time violations. Usually one per new group I play with. The old guy who didn't scout the course and just can't make a tee throw without eyeballing the basket gets a warning and then for the rest of the round they don't walk up the fairway to plan their shot when they are next to throw. And everyone has the pressure of whether to call them for it lifted.

The last excessive time call I made was on myself. We were waiting for the group ahead to clear the fairway, got to talking, then noticed it had been clear for a while, and I had forgotten I was first on the box. I gave myself an excessive time warning.

In general, it is really, really easy to throw within 30 seconds. And 30 seconds feels like an eternity. Those delays you think should have been a violation usually time out to about 28 seconds. The number of calls made is already very close to the number that would be made if every player had a personal timer with a stop watch.

 

[biscoe]

Other than a warning of a courtesy violation previously within the round, correct?

Excessive time and courtesy are not the same thing. There is no requirement of "notifying" someone they are on a clock- as some have said in this thread however a player who has already been warned during the round should know damn well that their play is under scrutiny.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

How about:

1) We clock every player, every throw.

2) Players accumulate unused time for shots made in less than 30 sec.

3) Players with accumulated time can sell blocks of time to other players ... like carbon credits.

Isaac Robinson plays pretty quickly, doesn't he?
This could be a nifty revenue stream for him.

 

[foxdawg10]

There has never been a notification requirement for excessive time violations. You are correct on lost disc.

Thank you.

 

[ChrisWoj]

Like I posted to our resident rocket scientist, what keeps someone from saying on the first tee, that they hate slow play and everyone will be on the clock at various times during the round? Not very sporting is it?

As a player - the rules are set up such that you should expect this on every single shot. From the first tee until you hole out. In your other posts you describe various courtesies players allow themselves, especially as players on tour who know each other, but the fact is that the sport of disc golf is set up in such a way that you should expect every single round that someone will be putting a clock on you. When it is my turn to throw, I am ready to approach my disc, assess my lie, and get my head where it needs to be. When it is my turn to throw I am unambiguous about these things, because thats how the rule is called.

If someone says that to me I chuckle, say "okay?" and then don't care about it the rest of the round.

No matter how many little courtesies you bring up in your other posts, the rules aren't set up that way. Nikko was unambiguously in the wrong, and none of your hypotheticals matter because we have all read the story, we all know he was warned, and all of us as disc golfers acknowledge that this is on Nikko Locastro from top to bottom. The only thing anyone else is arguing is the level of penalty.

 

[foxdawg10]

I'm 56 and for the most part like to keep myself young physically and mentally. But I'm going to sound like that old guy now

After thinking about this for a week, it's appalling how entitled Nikko is. It is a privilege, not a right, to play disc golf for a living. He has shown time and time again that he has no regard for the rules, his fellow competitors, and now for an official.

He is playing a game for a living, gets to travel the country and the world, playing all kinds of great courses and meet all kinds of great people.

The only thing that is asked of him in return is to not be a douche. He had one job and failed miserably.